Hi Hi Puffy Ami Yumi vs. My Life As a Teenage Robot

 Two shows from the early to mid 2000s, two shows I used to watch and kinda like as a kid, two shows I dislike to varying degrees. With my questionable perspective on media, which of these shows would I pick of the two?

Pre-game

Now it may be weird that I'm comparing two entirely different shows, but, here's why. They both starred Janice Kawaye, had an anime influence and came out and lasted the same amount of years, plus they were very popular in their heyday to the same extent. Huh, guess they are kinda alike.

While I made it clear I don't like hi Hi Puffy Ami Yumi anymore, I never gave my perspective on MLAATR. On that, I feel the show flawed in some areas, I don't like the main protagonist very much (then again I don't like teenagers very much), but the show at large nowadays to me is... okay, I may not go back to watch it for obvious reasons, but at the very least I'm glad fans of this show didn't attack Whatever Happened to... Robot Jones for also having a robotic protagonist.

(full disclosure, while MLAATR's pilot debuted a year before Whatever's, the latter came first as a full series while MLAATR came a year after, though Whatever was already defined while MLAATR was still finding its footing. For preventative measures, Yakkity Yak had a robot girl character appear occasionally, and her first appearance also predated MLAATR's show. If there's one negative aspect to the fandom, it isn't brainless rip-off allegations, otherwise they'd contend with comparisons to an anime that had a unique style.)

Overall Tone

While MLAATR has a high action direction, at large it's a slice of life affair with sci-fi elements, references to old-timey cartoons like Felix the Cat and the like, even down to the art direction, more on that later. Any transitions to either tone are either infrequent as each episode is seemingly in its own world beyond Jenny's interactions with most of her enemies, but otherwise, there is a decent build-up to the more action-oriented portions.

Hi Hi Puffy Ami Yumi seems to take a lot of notes from the golden age of cartoons. It's light hearted, but as a result it feels rather predictable. They hardly break from the tone, and all I get from it is a headache whenever a certain character comes by.

MLAATR had it so that whenever a tonal shift happened, it wouldn't feel out of place, meaning that the writers had it in their ability to do some truly compelling stuff. If you can make any tone work with a show, you have talent. Hi Hi's stagnation with its carefree tone makes it feel like one of those low-budget cash grabs, which is ironic since its production company would help work on a Puss n' Boots and Kung Fu Panda mockbuster, with GAIAM, Goodtimes Entertainment's successor.

Round one goes to MLAATR.

Style and Animation

Both shows seemingly have an anime aesthetic, or at least one of them should.

MLAATR is unique by default compared to other anime-influenced shows. The show used an anime style comparable to Astro Boy, and as mentioned before, had a more retro aesthetic. It looks unique for all the right reasons, and as Astro Boy was more action oriented, the look suits the tone of the show (and mends with Rob Renzetti's general art style.)

I mentioned this in my review of the show, but for the sake of consistency, here we go again.

Hi Hi Puffy Ami Yumi is rooted in Japanese pop culture, it is based on a Japanese band, is set in Japan, etc. etc., so, you'd expect the art style to fit with the aesthetic, and it doesn't. The characters are drawn to resemble a vague sum up of what anime characters look like, and that's just going by the mains, the remainder look like UPA rejects so consistency isn't a card in this show's deck.

You may say MLAATR is equally inconsistent, but then again I never saw much of Astro Boy in terms of full episodes, and each style mends well together.

So you know who winds this, MLAATR

Use of Janice Kawaye

The big comparison between both shows is that they feature this actress.

Jenny is otherwise bland to me, but not incredibly unlikable. She technically made the Crust Cousins her enemy, but at the very least it wasn't as dire as what Sam did to Danny Fenton, but maybe it's her attitude that rubs me the wrong way, who knows? I can at least say her naivety is better handled than Starfire in Teen Titans.

So uh... here's the thing. I fucking hate Ami.

Ami's the nicey nice one in this, and the more I thought about her, it went from annoying to outright insufferable. It feels like the world bends to her will in order for things to end her way, her level of selflessness would lead her to give away their tour bus if she felt up for it. Mabel is terrible? You haven't looked that deep.

You know the drill, MLAATR.

Use of Villains

There is one aspect that kinda got to me on MLAATR, the Cluster struck me as a stalkerish group, especially their queen. If the show was a bit more off the wall, I imagine Jenny would sue her just to get her off her back for a while, then be forced to work with her when a grander threat comes their way (maybe that doofus that got Jenny's parts separated from her that one time), and (I think it's Nexxus) would work with Jenny to get some dignity back.

There's no recurring antagonist in this, just the douche of the day, and they're all, at large, typical big bads associated with the theme of each episode. 

However, for MLAATR, had it gone on it would've done a rather unforgivable sin, turning a good character evil. I have a huge hangup with this, it's why I hate Archie Sonic (one of many reasons), it felt like a desperate attempt at keeping things fresh, so for that I'm happy the show ended when it did. For the record, the one that'd become evil was this goth robot that people like because she's goth, she appeared in that one episode where Jenny joined a trio of superheroes.

It's a slaughter, MLAATR.

Chance for Redemption

Any potential interest in Hi Hi Puffy Ami Yumi had wained over the years. I only watched it because nothing better was on, and it didn't strike me as very good. The sentiment could be made for other Cartoon Network show from this time, yes, even Foster's had soured for me over the years, or maybe I just don't like Craig McCracken for some reason. This, My Gym Partner's a Monkey, Camp Lazlo, these have held up poorly.

As for MLAATR... I actually enjoyed this growing up, and saw a good deal of episodes. I don't recall anyone in particular ruining this show for me, and since it's not used as a soapbox against a remake, worse fans exist for worse shows, nothing's really holding me back from giving this show another go. I mean, just as long as there aren't any idiots accusing Whatever Happened to... Robot Jones of ripping it off. I've yet to see anyone be that protective of MLAATR.

So MLAATR Wins

You could say this was all done so I can shit on Hi Hi Puffy Ami Yumi some more, and you'd be right. However, I mainly wanted to do this so I can get my perspective on MLAATR out there. Now yes, fans have a big impact on how I view a show, I'd see these kinds of people when I look up videos or fanart, and when that strike is made, I see more negative impacts of the show in question.

At worst, these guys may just fetishize most character, and until this show gets a remake people would whine about, this show hadn't been tainted.

Episode Review: Battle of the Band

 I don't love Jimmy Neutron. I fucking love Jimmy Neutron. I loved the movie, I watched the hell out of the show in its heyday, even now I go back to binge select episodes, get sick of it, then come back months later to start anew.

If I had to pick, I'd say my favorite season was the second, followed by the third and then the first. The latter is the weakest for me, as it had fewer episodes I wanted to go back to, it was when Cindy and Libby were a bit more annoying, and it was really around the next two seasons the show found its footing. Plus, as always, the stiffs always surface and they came from that season.

I was caught between Battle of the Band and See Jimmy Run, but I can sum up that with this statement:

It felt like a hollow conclusion, Cindy still won the race and the punishment didn't fit the crime in my opinion.

So this.

The Episode

In ten words or less: Rushed, missed opportunities, underwhelming ending, Green Day.

One of the biggest problems with the episode, and many of the earlier season one episodes is that there's so little to say about them. The only episodes I found interesting from them beyond the specials were When Pants Attack, Sleepless in Retroville and Ultra Sheen.

To sum up, a talent show comes up, the boys feel overwhelmed by Cindy and Libby, Jimmy creates instruments that immediately generate catchy beats, as far as I can get without ruining the impact. I've rarely seen band-centered episodes that've gone anywhere, just four are exceptions.

Deep Cuts from The Loud House because there was more to it than what the band was going through, Whatever Happened to... Robot Jones? Which explored the climate of 80s culture and garage bands, and focused more on how the band built themselves up and focused on all but practicing. Kappa Mikey, along with its unique humor had an original spin, where the band just performed songs to a ringtone. Then Lizzie, If the Skin Fits, which gave another side, namely the management side and how far one would go for them.

Okay that was just a plug for a web cartoon nobody gives a crap about now, but go check it out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqnTcuytnps&list=PLMdKMaqxA078dj3ddICOpVqMRK7yZZRDp&index=4

The show wears the Beatle allegories on the sleeve, from Carl's look toward the end of the episode to the fact the title-card is set in the same typeface as the band's.

But how do things fall apart. I'll give you a few seconds. No seriously, don't scroll beyond this point, go to another tab, check your notifications, get a snack or a drink, I'll give you time to figure it out if you never saw the episode before.

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So, did you guess that the fame goes to their head? If so, to that I say, no shit.

This is a predictable turnout even by Jimmy Neutron standards, and that show was known for going above and beyond. It felt like the writers were having a dry-spell at this point, it didn't have the same spirit as other Jimmy Neutron episodes, and yeah, it felt rushed.

Wanna know how it ends? The boys can't go on as they tossed their instruments, they lose to Cindy and Libby who were annoying at the start, and the only reason the boys lost was because Carl's snot bubble exploded. It was very unsatisfying, and See Jimmy Run felt clunky at best, to sum up how I feel about that episode since I don't want to go back to it.

As for that Green Day quip, the instrumental the boys play is based on the song Warning.

Conclusion

I'd say this is to Jimmy Neutron what Hail to the Chief was to Fairly Odd Parents, a forced conflict against an otherwise hollow episode with an unsatisfactory conclusion. My point to this was to find the weakest episode of the show, and I can say with certainty, this and See Jimmy Run may very well be one of those.

Why I Don't Hate Twelve Forever

 Note to self, never include a divisive show in a poll.

So, what could be said about Twelve Forever? It was a show that aired for one season on Netflix, and it was ran by a whackjob.

It's only right to get this out of the way. But first we need history. I remember watching the pilot for Infinity Train, well before everyone ruined it for me. I caught a pilot for another show, Twelve Forever, in the recommendations, and while the remainder is history with Infinity Train, production had gone underway for Twelve Forever.

Twelve Forever was created by Julia Vickerman, who had involvement with Cartoon Network as far as Clarence and The Powerpuff Girls, and I so wish it was the Craig McCracken run of the original show because it deserves it. Powerpuff Girls is cancer, Animaniacs is diabetes.

For whatever reason, Cartoon Network passed on the pilot, and it wound up getting sold to Netflix and received an overhaul. Another character who appeared in the pilot was written out due to his rampant whiteness, and replacing Cartoon Network was management firm The Cartel (who aside from this primarily does TV movies for the likes of Hallmark and Lifetime), and PUNY, who are best known for producing the trans-influenced Danger and Eggs for Amazon.

I bring that up because sexuality was a focal point to the show, according to co-producer Shadi Petosky, who called it a "gay coming of age story", more on that later.

But you can't bring up Twelve Forever without bringing up Vickerman, who through a pedophiliac Tumblr post (and summing it up as such until she acted.), basically nuked her credibility, leaving the show on an indefinite hiatus, which at this point is a fancy term for cancelled. Funny thing is, Chris Savino got axed from The Loud House and it's still going, while this isn't. This is a rare time where male privilege can be used credibly, and why am I saying that?

So with that, one question remains. Does this mean the show has been tainted beyond repair? Well it depends on your point of view. I checked out one episode just to get an idea what the trouble was, and, I was interested in more, though whether or not I have time is still up in the air.

Ease of Separation

The extent of Vickerman's contributions is characters and writing the stories. Other than that she doesn't voice the main character, so it's fairly easy to separate the character from the creator. Not to mention as far as I've seen, it's all just about a girl's adventure in a world born through her own imagination. I saw the first episode after knowing of Vickerman's disgusting acts, and it didn't ruin my enjoyment of the first episode.

Though near as I could tell, Vickerman is just a creep and a potential danger, so maybe that's why the offset isn't as strong. Probably why Savino didn't ruin The Loud House because his acts was mostly the climate for work environments back then, and maybe why Skylar Page's departure from Clarence didn't lead to an immediate cancellation. I'd say it's picky thinking, but something tells me Page and Savino focused entirely on people their age.

If there was an episode where Reggie's mom was creeping on a 14 year old, could you let me know?

I like the premise

The idea of kids being reluctant to abandon what they grew up with had been done plenty of times before, but repetitive ideas can be saved by good execution.

First up, this isn't set in California or New York, thank you for picking a setting outside of those done and demolished states (this is supposedly set in Iowa.)

The show features a mix of real world scenarios and a fantasy setting. Each are kept to their ideal domains (the later for Endless, the other for the real world), in a way, this can conceivably be seen as how a child deals with angst of growing up and the worlds they can come up with. Anything that comes out makes sense because I can imagine for how ludicrous they are, a child could've easily made them up.

The characters are otherwise realistic, namely Reggie's family and her awkward best friend, well, that's as much as I've seen of them.

Portrayal of LGBT

My hangup with LGBT/left-leaning insertion lies heavily with how they fit in with the show they go with. The third revival of The Twilight Zone sucks because it's incredibly obvious for example. I can forgive any show with those things so long as it was there from the start.

At some point, Reggie develops a crush on a classmate. Romantic feelings could be had when you're young, Reggie is at the final checkpoint of childhood, and since her sexuality was ambiguous to this point, this is welcome and can be worked on naturally. Plus beforehand there was an implied romance between two male figures.

Point is, have it from the start, or make it your own thing. Well save for Steven Universe which at best is just a hollow shell that never was anything to begin with. Connie's mom was cool though.

This is a better version of Adventure Time

I mentioned this in a tweet, some of you already know I hate Adventure Time, so now it's time to tell you why I feel this way.

I just feel Twelve Forever did the real child in a fantasy setting better than Adventure Time ever could.

The world is powered by a child's imagination where anything is possible in Twelve Forever. Shit happens in Adventure Time. Twelve Forever has a more appealing art style. Adventure Time looks as though the artists drew the characters in a hurry with their eyes closed, held together by elevator pitches they call scripts.

"You are only saying that because you hate the fans of Adventure Time and Twelve Forever has a dormant fanbase at this point" -Everybody, most definitely.

I gotta be careful with what I say with this show, given what led to its end. Maybe I just hate slow establishments, whereas with Twelve Forever we get an idea from the get-go and more and more slowly builds up, whereas Adventure Time is a lot slower and for the most part they expect you to take everything at face value, plus it had no idea what it wanted to be at times (the tone was all over the place until they decided to go the mostly action route by the end of it.), while Twelve Forever felt a bit more grounded tonally.

Overall

Honestly the right thing to do was have the show go on without Vickerman. The Loud House and Clarence went on without Savino and Page, and the show had another producer who could've taken on the role of show runner. Petosky had no other projects running at this point, and many of what happened occurred on her watch.

I'm all for her being gone, there should be no excuse for pedophilia whether it's committed or expressed, but as far as I know, it wasn't done in this show.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to wait for MisAnthroPony to call me a pedophile for liking this show, provided he doesn't kill me for saying Animaniacs is shit.

Top 6 Twisted Cartoon Nightmares

Nightmares. They are the bane of our psyches, but at the same time they're interesting. Nightmares are born from what we fear most in life, whether it was something recent or whatever. When it comes to cartoons, animators have a bit more leeway, just do something twisted that'd leave an impact, while staying within standards.

So for this list, I'm gonna go over some nightmare scenes in cartoons I feel were well done. This doesn't count dark turns in otherwise straight-forward scenes (with one exception), and I'm not including anything from Powerpuff Girls, they were just being selfish in that episode.

Also, spoiler alert.

6. Doug: Nightmare on Jumbo Street

Putting this lower on the list because it was given away at the start of it. This is one of two nightmares had by Doug Funnie in this episode, this being the second. This had stuck in my head for years, which is more than enough for me.

In this nightmare, after fleeing from the cinema, Doug finds the environment getting more and more twisted, especially in his house with no one around. When he finds Porkchop, things get more twisted, mixed with cartoony antics, but even then the execution saves this.

5. The Loud House: A Tale of Two Tables

And yes, I'm putting The Loud House on this list. This show did have a nightmare sequence. Not like the previous one, the idea this is a nightmare is eased into, it's a build-up which is... okay it's not the best, but it does make fair use of the show's animation (you can do very little with Flash), and I like it for its surrealistic charm.

I just wish the fandom wasn't so braindead.

4. Ed, Edd n' Eddy: Rock-A-Bye Ed

Picking this over The Eds Are Coming because it works in a different way. This nightmare happens at the start of the episode, and it gives a nice glimpse into Ed's mind and the impact Sarah has on his life. The visuals sell this, and the Jonny 2x4 imagery helps to set up the twist that comes after.

It's Ed, Edd n' Eddy's usual brand of humor that holds a certain level of complexity that shows how dire Ed's home life is.

3. Rugrats: Pickles Vs. Pickles

Rugrats is already infamous for a number of twisted nightmare sequences. Ironically, I thought Rugrats was for preschoolers (and if you saw the seasons after the second movie, you'd believe so too.), so I wasn't prepared for the insanity of the previous ones. Name em, Big Baby, dust bunnies, evil Santa, I'm neither Tommy nor Stu, living germs, etc. Though there is one episode that seems to fall off of everyone's radar.

Pickles Vs. Pickles is just as scary as the other episodes, if not just as unique. This is a more realistic nightmare, compared to the others and it's a slow burn. Drew dreams that Angelica takes him and Charlotte to court after he sends her to her room without dessert for not eating her vegetables. The judge takes Angelica's side almost too easily (and by the way, the judge is modeled after Thurgood Marshall, I have a feeling they've seen something we don't know about.)

The build-up is both over the top and natural, with Angelica winning the case and Drew getting sent to prison.

Now, along with the slow build, this is scary because we get a glimpse into why Drew often spoils Angelica and how she turned out the way she did. Not to mention with confirmation she planned this all along, it sells that point even further. Ironically, he wasn't as harsh to her compared to the last time he punished her and he was fine.

You can fuck up an office and punish your child for it, but dessert is serious biz.

2. Hey Arnold!: Sid and Germs

One of the biggest takeaways I had from Hey Arnold! was its nightmare sequences. They did not hold back for a lot of these, even with the littlest of effort, they get the job done and leave off with a good screamer. It was hard to pick what I considered to be the best Hey Arnold! nightmare, Arnold Visits Arnie was already known well enough, I think BlameItOnJorge already talked about "What did I tell you Shortman?" but I found one.

Sid and Germs still got me even after my latest viewing. I think it perfectly reflects how cold, restraining and dark life is through the eyes of a germaphobe, combined with how Sid's social life was falling apart at this point. The dilemma for each was well represented in this nightmare.

1. The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy: Tickle Me Mandy

It's safe to say The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy started out much differently than what we'd get later on. Then again this was during the show's prototypical period, and the show's main style would slowly come through by the start of the official run.

Dream a Little Dream was obviously a Fantasia parody, for the most part I think. Though it seems some people forgot about, or tried to anyways, one certain episode.

Tickle Me Mandy seemed simple enough, Grim conjures a playmate for Billy that he couldn't decide if he wanted or not. At best, New Mandy was just bratty, obsessive at worst, but to Billy, she was his worst nightmare, at least according to the one he had.

The atmosphere, suspense and lack of music help sell this nightmare. Not to mention, they actually did a jumpscare proper, just having that stinger a bit off from when we see that gritty Billy face helps keep this from looking cliche. It's just vivid imagery that gives a glimpse into Billy's mind.

But just see for yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPzJopR7qnw

Why I don't like Danny Phantom

It was between this and a personal defense of Magical Girl Friendship Squad, I suck at percentages, but either this beat MGFS by one vote, or only one vote went toward MGFS, and if it's the latter, it's giving me hope that reviewing is now becoming more about how we feel about the product, not what people want us to feel about the product, then again the likes of Dazz will forever neuter that dream.

So, Butch Hartman. Enough said. There was a time I liked Fairly Odd Parents, but I found myself hating it, and it was well before Butch became a shit-heed. Hell, even the older episodes bug me as far back as the beginning, and that sentiment is slowly extending to this.

I watched this show back when it was new, a case can be made here because I actually saw it on television (I know it's a bit silly to bring up, but I don't want to come off as a mere hater.) People get mad when they say I don't like Avatar, but I can say with certainty I've seen every episode at least once, I respect the show, but I'm not a fan of it.

I can say I saw the show well before its divisive final season, many of the episodes I saw came from them, I don't think I saw any from the Butch season, unless the second appearance of the ghost pirate boy, Danny splitting into two versions of himself and one where Jazz begins helping Danny happened then.

If there's one thing I can say, I'm not going into this blind. So here we go.

The Obvious

Now you'd probably assume Butch is a big reason I hate this show, and, okay, so it is. He said he made our childhoods, so in a way the art is embodied by the artist, hence association.

Okay just to make this clear, I'm aware Butch only played a big role in the last season or so, people like to say Steve Marmel made the show great. Well good, I hate Steve Marmel too. I alluded to this in my Spike Animation retrospective, but for the sake of keeping you all to speed, Marmel is... partisan, to say the least. This didn't go for Danny Phantom as by that time people were more concerned with the Bush administration, but something happened way after.

It's impossible to distance Marmel from his political views, so this goes beyond difference in perspective. Marmel's the kind of guy who would've shot up his local Chic Fil A if Trump won in 2020. Marmel hasn't done anything new since 2018, so it's safe to say he's relying on welfare checks, I mean I guess. With his constant Biden praise/Trump bashing, I'm guessing he had done something truly vile and wants to cushion the blow. Also he uses TikTok.

None of you made my childhood, you were just an unfortunate part of it.

Oi, Contrivance

Not to mention, sometimes I feel Danny is too blase´ when it comes to most things, either that or everything's incredibly contrived, like how the world came crumbling down for one girl for the sake of creating a rival. Even as a kid, I felt it was incredibly forced, and we're supposed to feel bad for Danny? Well I don't feel bad for any of them because the genesis of that conflict was forced.

But you think that's bad? The entire show was built on contrivance. What dumbass puts the on switch to your ghost portal on the inside of it? Even if you're a dolt of a father, you'd know the right place to put the on switch on anything. Steve Marmel made Danny Phantom great? He couldn't come up with a natural plot flow to save his life.

Not to mention, the show had the worst use of clues, implications, and anything related. Sure you can't pick up on them when you're like... I dunno, six? Worst offenders here are the DALV group, spelled backwards is ran by one of the main antagonists Vlad. Then there's an episode where Ember returns after everyone becomes obsessed with a downtempo tune, it sounds like You Will Remember My Name, it's just like the plot Ember's first episode kinda, but the kicker is her reveal, a phony cruise called Mbersback Cruse, Ember's Back, even I could piece that together. They think we're idiots.

The Style

Is this gonna be a hot take? Dunno, duncare.

I'm just gonna say this outright, I hate the visual style used in both Fairly Odd Parents and this. It sounds harsh, but most of you already know how much I hate J.G. Quintel's style.

While I hate the latter in that it's somehow uglier than the bean smile style used in other similar cartoons (save for Adventure Time because the people there didn't know how to draw), for this, I feel it doesn't fit with the nature of this show. It worked for FOP because it was more of a dialog-oriented show and the visual gags fit along with it. This is a more serious show with humorous moments, and I can't take it as seriously with this style, plus ugly.

Otherwise forgettable characters

Many of the characters are the sum of their parts. Mostly memorable, but what use is that? I feel Butch, or Steve or whoever only focused on essential characters, many of them can be summed up by the archetypes they represent. I recognize them based on how they look, but I can only get so far with naming them.

It's a bit all over the place with the ghosts, from dock hands to princesses to genies, well okay that's just me, but this is about why I personally don't like Danny Phantom. There is one character that I frankly don't like, depending on how the fandom views her, this hot take would be enough to burn a hole through the ground, I mean I guess.

Not to mention, they're inconsistent with how they want the ghosts to be. Are they meant to actually be dead people? Or are they following the principals instilled by the later seasons of The Real Ghostbusters where they're more or less monsters? Are you telling me werewolves are real in the Phantomverse?

Sam Part 1, The Character

Yep, just yep. If a character is the cause of someone going through a life changing transformation, it'd be impossible for me to get them on their side. At least Mabel Pines gave us a much better finale. Sam was frankly too headstrong, and was the kind of independent that got on my nerves. Now look, striking out is fine, but it's always gonna lead to a mixed reaction. As I got older, my perception of Sam became tolerant to nonexistent.

Stop me if you've heard this before, a goth who has overly happy parents. What's worse? A goth girl who's neglected, or a girl who's motto is "Noone understands me an' shit" You can ironically take the former in any direction, whereas the latter is incredibly predictable, bonus points if the parents are oblivious. It seems everyone always pines for the goth ones in these shows.

But I'm not hating her entirely for that, there is one other really big dealbreaker here. I don't care if you're male, female, nonbinary, pansexual, homosexual, transsexual, African American, and all else out there, but the one thing I hate more than anything in this world, is activists. Preachy, holier than thou, at home with the Proud Boys and/or ANTIFA, annoying as hell and indirectly ruining the legitimacy of their cause, even worse if they have a celebrity's hand up their ass, isn't that right Paul McCartney with Lisa Simpson?

Now ordinarily I wouldn't hold this against a character if they went through it later down the line, but Sam and activism happened as early as the first episode. The fact they tried to portray it as over the top made the episode hold up poorly, since everyone's blithering idiocy blurred the line between satire and legitimate. Plus she's a vegetarian, and I am fucking scared of it (3OH!3 reference)

Worst things I've seen of her, whether it be her own fault or that of the writes, basically going banana sandwich and making her one of the best players in an adventure game, going on a downtrodden path, only thing I liked about that episode is the scenes with Mr. Lancer (if that's his name), interesting to see Danny trying to make up for unfinished work, and him being a gamer. We've seen the story about the girl being a high-tier gamer (or player in general) countless times, try to have the old-fashioned adult take that place.

The episode where we're introduced proper to Danny's rival (who I immediately forgot the name of) where they look after sacks of flour for a parenting class. Her aggressive approach to raising children is somehow worse than running a babysitting service, and at least it'd give people a chance to cool it, or maybe I'd be better off not raising kids. Sam here gives me the vibes of parents who raise their kids as gender neutral, or Desmond, forcing them to be something they don't choose to be. Psychological child abuse.

And yes, she encouraged Danny to trek into the portal and was the one who led him back in during the Genie episode. I don't get the names, but I do remember what happened in the episodes. There could've been a good opportunity to make a difference and have a dark conclusion, Sam realizes she may have been a toxic friend and that perhaps Danny would be better off without her. I'm just saying, even Ed, Edd n' Eddy could've made that kind difference had the show's worst season never happened. Even Hey Arnold! explored Helga possibly going on without Arnold for the most part.

But as Butch depends on god, well you get the idea. This segues into-

Part 2, Romance

Full disclosure, I'm not interested in dating, if someone comes along or I'm introduced then that's fine, but I prefer to be independent.

Now let's go off topic for a bit, Gravity Falls, The Loud House, Hey Arnold!, Ed, Edd n' Eddy, Magical Girl Friendship Squad, Invader Zim and Twelve Forever, what do these have in common? Either a lack of dependence on romantic subplots or using them in a more toxic fashion to contrast with what it's meant to be.

When it comes to shows that teeter closer to action, when it gets down to shipping, things fall apart. Avatar: The Last Airbender, Sokka forgot about Yue gradually when he got with Suki, and I doubt he took what he learned with him, Adventure Time, implications between Marceline and Bubblegum Princess weren't thick enough, and by the end when they kiss I was like (oh now?)

Star Vs. The Forces of Evil, you can do an entire thesis on how badly shipping fucked up the show, but since talking about it now is pointless in a dedicated essay, I might as well sum it up here while I could. The fandom became tainted when the creator worked extra hard on shipping the main characters. People began hating another character because she potentially served as a spike in their fever ship. They conjured up an LGBT girlfriend for said character just to push that ship, then the season 4 finale, yeah everyone's dead but hey, that ship came true. This kind of shit would ruin the show for anybody.

And psyche, this kind of shit didn't plague the show to the extent Star did, but it still felt apparent. This is a fault attributable to many shows that feature shipping, let's break it down:

• We have this non-conformist girl who's part of the main character's circle of friends.
• Guy pines for the popular girl, though it's obvious it won't happen.
• Suddenly the guy crushes on the main girl.
• Signs are more apparent than they ever were before.

Shows like this follow that outline, with small variation. Let's run that by again, but show where Danny Phantom falls.

• We have Sam who's one of Danny's friends.
• Danny pines for... Pauline? But it's obvious nothing will happen between the two.
• Suddenly Danny realizes he may love Sam.
• There's a ring, bond is stronger than ever when Sam fucks up Danny's life for the second time.

Guess what I'm saying is that when it comes to shipping, sensibility is thrown out the door. Did Daron Nefcy ghost write some of those episodes?

Okay and the Fans Too

I would've left this alone, but given it was in this fandom that something big went down, I have to get into it.

But to start, did you know Butch Hartman's infamy began as far back as the mid-late 2000s, where he managed a forum and banned people who posted slash art/fanfics? Along with the glut of low quality stuff to come from those for and against, this was a pretty big strike against Butch, but not for a lack of reason.

Some fans were also adamant on the belief Danny Fenton was transsexual. I don't know where that came out, all I got from it was a hilariously salty Tumblr post about it.

But that's not what you're all expecting from this. No crappy art and fanfiction can ever distract from one such incident? How bad was it? Oh not much, just one guy who loved the show and a certain character a bit too much and shot up his local grocery store out of repressed anger from a troubled life and repressed sexuality expression.

I'm gonna get slammed for butchering a real life tragedy for that.

Okay, we all know about Randy Stair and the shit he did, hell, I have archived one of his videos on my backup YouTube channel and even have that one particular infamous video on my Dailymotion account. But as always, not everyone gets the context.

Randy Stair ran a YouTube channel which was themed heavily around Danny Phantom, namely one certain character I have frankly tried to repress at this point, but ruined that by trying to complain about contrivance. Ember McLame. She was some punk rock singer who was powered by audience approval, had a rotten attitude, rebellious to a predictable and was voiced by Tara Strong. Three strikes, off to the void.

And it should go without saying, but Ember played a big role in Stair's time on YouTube. Who said Sonic was the only series where recolors ran rampant? They're even complete with angsty stories, and on that sexuality remark, in his series it's made clear that only girls are admitted to an anarchical harem of Ember lookalikes, Randy's stand-in has his male voice. Nothing against those who're trans, I'm just saying it played a factor to him snapping some time later, and this was brought up in his motives as far as a Wikipedia article on the shooting, so I'm going by what's essentially accepted information.

So, Tara Strong can claim she made our childhoods, but she also made monsters out of many of us.

Funnily enough, it was the fanon that helped me get back into Ed, Edd n' Eddy, but at this rate, it's safe to say the fandom for Danny Phantom killed my perception on the show even further.

Overall

Maybe I just hate action shows, maybe I just hate the shows Butch Hartman was behind, who knows?

Episode Review: Cheetahs Never Prosper

The Wild Thornberrys ranks quite lowly when it comes to shows I grew up with, only ones lower than this are Fairly Odd Parents and Danny Phantom. The most I got from it was revisiting episodes I saw as a kid to see if they were how I remembered them, spoiler alert, nothing has changed.

The last I remember seeing this show was on a countdown aired on Nicktoons Network, admittedly the one episode I recall making it on was actually good. I saw some of the episodes from the newer seasons, and it's a rule of thumb when it comes to Klasky-Csupo's shows, the decline is obvious (though I can say with confidence The Wild Thornberries' last season isn't as bad as As Told by Ginger's, especially since that fell into the same web as Teen Titans who had a great finale that didn't become the finale, and ATbG had worse episodes after.)

But back on the countdown, I believe I saw one certain episode also make the list, I don't remember catching it anywhere else, unless my memory is that selective. My mind kept going back to this episode for some reason, I'd say it haunts me but that'd knock me down several notches. I guess I just wanted to find reasons to talk about this episode, and thinking of it, here we are.

Bluh

One thing that escapes me when it comes to The Wild Thornberries is that they go to real world locations (hence every intro ending with a zoom-in on a map), but luckily the episode descriptions on Wikipedia will prevent me from mixing the Galapagos with the Amazon.

This episode has the Thornberrys travel to the... African plains. That's all I got. The location name is inconsequential, just know the episode takes place in somewhere that's hot and dry, and in the midst of a drought.

My biggest issue with the episode is it having a number of missed opportunities, with the opportunities they do take being ill-executed. What occurred in the episode felt so poorly handled that it wound up pissing me off.

So the Thornberrys chill in the Comvee and Eliza is against them taking up indulgences after witnessing the effects the drought had on the animals outside. Does she strike out to make a statement on potential human negligence? Sorta, this leads to the main premise of the episode, more on that later.

I question why Nigel isn't filming, isn't that the whole reason for the show's existence? If they wrapped wouldn't they be on the way out by now? I mean I understand if Nigel would let everyone go look around, but they're in the more barren region of Africa.

While Eliza strikes out, the family kicks back in the Comvee and Debbie burns out the air conditioner. Firs up, how long have you had the comvee? It can do a lot of things but can't handle high pressure on the AC if nothing that requires high power is also running? If this led to something interesting then I'd excuse it. 

So what do you think happens? The short affects the rest of the power to the comvee, and they wind up going through the same thing the animals outside are? Hence allowing them to see what Eliza was going for in how they're tone deaf to what's going on outside? Nope, it's just a minor inconvenience at best, and they set out to find Eliza as she goes through her plot.

Oh yeah, her plot.

Eliza attempts to find the mother of a cheetah cub, Tano, who had been separated from her, somehow. I'd say the hyenas, I'm guessing, had something to do with it, I don't know if hyenas rank higher than cheetahs, the former are essentially scavengers. This is all amounting to something that'll really come together later on.

The letdowns persist in the form of travel drama. The highlight to the entire episode is Darwin, as I like the smart ass in any show, but it doesn't save it. Tano acts implacably selfish and vicious, biting the hand that feeds him, literally I may add, and busting their one water bottle. I'm not mad at him for doing something selfish, I'm just mad at how downplayed the drought aspect is.

Perhaps as a statement, Eliza would go without supplies to put herself on the same level as the animals (okay maybe she should bring one water bottle for the sake of emergency.) The desperation had by Tano would also be had by Eliza and Darwin as they struggle to survive, and drive home the impact the drought has. But neh, this isn't the kind of episode that'd show such sophistication.

Things come crumbling down further when Tano's mother returns, and this was my worst takeaway from it. Once more, I'm not pinning selfishness on it (same goes for mean-spirited because that's meaningless.), but because how everything is carried out here, and frankly, it makes the mother look no better.

She views Eliza as food out of desperation, and I gotta ask, what happened to you? I get you may have been looking for food, but you abandoned your own son? Were you afraid you would have to eat him? I wanted so bad for all four to devolve to savagery to, again, show the desperation all would have in a drought, but I guess they thought it'd be better for us to hate cheetahs. If Legend of the Titanic was pro whales, this is anti-cheetah.

Instinctively, you'd assume Tano would at least stick up for Eliza as she had helped get him to his mother, if it wasn't he'd literally be left for dead. But no, he who follows perishes, and now he wants to eat her too, this is so clunky you'd think the writers had a panic attack.

So how does Eliza get out of this jam? It rains enough to build a river, Tano's mother falls from a tree branch and plummets to her death, Tano learns the hard way on how a lack of food and water brought out the worst in the both of them and made him lose sight on those who'd try to help him, he'd regret everything and as he drinks from the now replenished river, he doesn't look up toward Eliza, feeling she's better off without him.

Actually I wish how that would've happened, they showed an elephant dying of old age and made it clear Donnie's biological parents were killed in cold blood by poachers, I'm sure they can imply the mother was trampled to death as by then she wasn't an established character and was a tragic antagonist so it wouldn't be as traumatizing to the viewer and give the episode a greater impact.

No, Eliza makes it back to her parents, she had been forgiven for leaving them for that bogus journey and is sent to clean up the comvee which had been messed up while it was seaborne. And Tano's mother somehow survived and the family goes on like none of that shit ever happened, and now this episode lingers in my head, as with a bulk of Klasky-Csupo's worst strike-outs in my opinion.

Overall

It's one thing if this was me covering an episode of a show I liked, but The Wild Thornberrys was a show I hardly cared about. This episode is the epitome of missed opportunities and bad execution, and the sad thing is, this show is capable of more sophistication than this episode squeezed out. To add insult to injury, a scene in Origin of Donnie had a mirror representation of Tano and his mother, where Eliza helped a young gorilla reunite with her mother and both were more cooperative. Maybe apes are kinder than cheetahs, maybe the jungle had more resources to go off of? Donnie was raised by apes before Nigel found him. Hell, even with another encounter Eliza had with a jungle cat he apologized for the trouble.

This episode is part of a trend prevalent with many Klasky-Csupo shows, where one episode of each sticks in my head for some strange reason (Rocket Power is excluded somehow, someway.), whether it be because it's a bad episode that's otherwise glanced over, one that has poor execution or is memorable for all the wrong reasons.

Aside from this, As Told by Ginger's stickout was a bulk of the last season episodes with the other Ms. Zorski, each episode felt painful even if she didn't play as major of a role. For All Grown Up, it's mainly Coup De Ville in that it was the first episode and people seemed to ignore the seeds for Lil's degredation. For Rugrats, it's Pickles Vs. Pickles, in that it unintentionally paints a dark picture for why Drew bends over backwards for Angelica, who was in for her own gain that episode too ironically enough.

Of all the episodes I've seen of the show, this is the worst I've seen of it, and I don't even like the show very much.

Thoughts on MisAnthroPony

Good riddance

So... MisAnthroPony. I had agreed with him in some areas, but I like many get to a point where enough is enough.

Clearing the Air

Regretfully, this was around the time his Cuties video came out, now if anyone brings me up to him, he's gonna probably lump me with the fans of the film, even though I myself don't have a Netflix subscription and feel the film is incredibly misguided in talking about child exploitation, in that more risque scenes are played straight.

Here is the comment I made.

The molestation crack was pretty idiotic, I admit this. But right after that asinine attempt at a dry joke and an admittedly vague follow up, I tried to be mature. This is what he had to say.

Immature insults and a Jeffrey Epstein crack. Even my "were you molested" crack can be put in the context of a question on whether or not the aspects of the film can be associated with some childhood trauma, hence why he feels so strongly against it.

If I wanted to be a real asshole, I would've joked that he's secretly a pedophile himself, those who scream the loudest against it show complicity. The abbreviation on his name may be prophetic.

Plus I admit many of the tweets he shown were of blind defense, but I also admit some were taken out of context, tweets taken in the middle of threads (some of which I highly suspect he butted into or people wanted to give him criticism) just so he can twist it against them.

Not to mention, I left a negative comment on BlackCriticGuy's review of the film. If you have seen MAP's response, compare it to the comment I'm gonna show below.

If MAP ever sees this, he'd probably focus on the "Cuties is not a bad film." line.

My point is, people feed on sensationalism. Even in the face of legally sanctioned CP, we need to be diplomatic, otherwise there's a chance we can turn the outsiders against us. 

I would've left well enough alone if he just focused on BlackCriticGuy, but then he went on a tangent about how Netflix should shut down for releasing the film in the states. Hold the bus.

In that kind of situation, the film should just be removed and Netflix should hold higher standards as to what can and can't be released on the platform. Near as I could tell, (aside from Big Mouth but they have context to why they do what they do), Netflix hasn't released anything similar since Cuties. As they are one of the essential streaming services, and their demise would lead to less accessibility to content not shared on Hulu and the crappy others (focusing on CBS All Access and Disney+ here) plus a stark level of unemployment.

He wants the entire service to be shut down, sometime before and a little after, he flamed Netflix's Twitter account, and his attitude suggested he only stopped to avoid people calling him on it. I'm borrowing from one of the people he put on blast here, but the guy has a point. Netflix has moved on, why can't he? Irate Gamer hater mentality.

I won't go into him advocating for shadier means of watching Netflix's content, I have to go to KimCartoon just to watch animated content for my reviews (and for fun, you got me) But to close off on the film, I hate it and agree it shows a lot of material that creeps could jack off to, but if someone sees something we don't, and they have something to say about it that is beyond jacking off, that's their deal.

If he puts me in the blacklist description of his Cuties review because of what I said, a point would be made.

Now that that's over with

Even without that video in mind, the biggest takeaway I got from MAP was his attitude.

To sum up, MAP is that socially awkward kid who wants to be viewed as cool, so he goes on and on about popular topics in the hopes people would fall for it. Some do, others don't.

When he finds a topic to sink his teeth into, it can go on for eons, with a good example being his essays on Doug Walker. Now yeah, I hate the guy and feel he ruined internet review culture by being a negative influence on the smaller crop, but whining didn't get the the dossier released, and bringing it up even now won't do shit.

He hated the Nostalgia Critic's review of The Wall, I do too, the themes of the movie are so obvious and it felt like a blind attempt at getting attention, but apparently he had that mentality when it came to Doug's discussion on the Sonic movie. This is going by word of mouth, so I won't go any further.

A key reason I did the "were you molested as a kid" response was, along with Cuties, his obsession with the Nostalgia Critic's Sailor Moon review. Compared to the new era NC episodes, that one was... okay. I wasn't that big of a fan of Sailor Moon to take offense to it.

There was one big suspect aspect to the review, him going on about the girls being 14, the transformations themselves being suspect, and a callback to him putting Usagi Tsukino on a hot females list from years ago. On the surface, this is a callback to him and other boys getting the hots for the girls when they were younger, and him not doing his research. The transformations could also be interpreted in different ways. How red does this look?

It's history, but MAP lost his shit throughout this video.

The worst aspects could be considered crappy jokes at best, but it seems MAP doesn't get humor that goes beyond surface level understanding of memes.

This goes on toward another undeniable flaw about MAP, he has no self-awareness. What's worse? Some douche or some asshole who shouts at people and goes on about the same topic over and over again? Well you had to be there.

For an example of him having no self-awareness, take a look at this meme.

For anyone with common sense, this is very likely not true, and was likely spurred by him complaining incessantly about it on Twitter and going after people with casual perspectives on it. If you know it's not true, you have no reason to be pissed off by it, and maybe it's a sign you're obsessive over something. Well, how sensible was MAP in something like this?

Something tells me the meme holds water.

And as an added bonus, ignorance breeds ignorance.

Even better, he responded to the tweet on his Cuties video. You've proven the trolls right.

A Crusty Mirror

A key reason as to why I did this rant is because in some way, MAP is a cautionary tale, directed toward me.

Back before I decided to do reviews, I got involved with documenting drama. That's how I got my following at first, and it slowly turned me into an asshole, sensationalizing stuff that was otherwise negligible, and getting into fights with people who didn't deserve it, leading to blocks that persist to this very day.

The worst of this is when I got into a fight with a hyper-humanitarian, and a mark of shame exists in the form of a series of posts on a blog by the guy which could be found in a google search of my handle. Also my hatred for Sonic Boom which led to me nearly landing on Kiwi Farms. That was also where I was at my worst.

But there is a parallel. My advocacy against creeps and media, sorta like MAP's advocacy on people he covers. If I still pursued drama and got on YouTube, I would've become just like him, a dense asshole with no self-awareness, making enemies and getting a calvary of yes men.

Overall

I have a feeling he had been covered plenty of times before, but for once I can consider this personal. This is like a tale of two different pathways for me. If I kept going with drama, I'd be like MAP, and the other path is the route I've taken today.

And MAP has enough salt to turn the Pacific Ocean into the Dead Sea.

Episode Review: Captain Underpants (title too long)

This was requested to me by LDEJruffFanReturns, I don't know how well I'll cover it, but I appreciate the recommendation.

Last time I've talked about this show, it was just a first impressions affair (coincidentally requested by the same guy), I felt the show got the humor of the books down, and I went after a top pick of the first season. Now I'm going to tackle a lesser episode. The Vexing Villainy of the Vile Vimpire

Break it down

I bring up the first time I talked about the show because... it's a decent gap between here to then, and I might've forgotten some key aspects to this show's humor.

So the episode begins with a line of butt-jokes and explosions. I half expected this to be a lead-up to a creative block had by Harold and George, while I'm let down on this, it isn't for nothing. The payoff to that is that butts and explosions are chalked up to stuff guys like, and you may be seeing where this is- this is  a turn-off to female readers.

This episode was recommended to me because it's one of those female empowerment deals. It's not that I feel women shouldn't be represented, I just hate how many go about it. People get mad over them bleeding into existing properties because it gives the idea they can't come up with something creative on their own, made worse when people on both sides are tone-deaf.

This is in general, just fyi.

How they go about it here, my biggest problem is that this episode presents the issue in a black and white fashion. Girls don't like the manly humor of the latest Captain Underpants comic, not some girls, all girls. This harkens back to Fairly Odd Parents, where gender interests are presented in an equally black and white manner. You could've easily cut the controversy in half, some girls happen to enjoy the manly story, some guys feel it's repetitive, see what I mean.

Then strong female characters. Apparently the biggest problem isn't that the story is repetitive, but that there's the lack of a strong female character.

They single out one woman who just screams. Okay, that's fine, while she isn't exactly a damsel in distress, she just acts like one, but it's okay, we get glimpses of girls doing the general girly stuff to drive the point home. If this was a constant, a point could be made, but this occurred four episodes in.

I was hoping for it to be a small part of the plot, but after starting a foodfight, they blame her for it. This is a forced conflict for the sake of pushing a message, not an agenda, but a message. Oh, and Mr. Krupp doesn't get women, both in terms of getting them in bed and reading them, and in order to avoid referrals given by them to their behavior, the boys are forced to better understand girls in general and come to a peaceful conclusion.

Also Melvin, who's crushing hard on the girl in question (Erica for the record.), I have a feeling that he's gonna change her to make up the villain for the day, all because of his dedication to her. Is it safe to call him a simp? I mean Erica gives me nothing to work with. I can buy her plight if she had some dimensions to it.

It may not be this show's brand, but why not have her be a fan of manly things in secret, keeping it so to avoid being made fun of? Why not have her conceive a foil to Captain Underpants parallel to his level of oddity? Why not have it where someone exposes her for being a fan of weird things as she is watching funny videos in the hallway (but then again this is in eyeshot of people and shown by another so that's one idea down the crapper.)

Of George and Harold's attempt at making peace, they wind up making a comic that portrays her as an antagonist. I've read enough Captain Underpants to know where this is going.

At this point I'd like to point out that I'm writing this as I watch the show, if I can pick out predictable moments within seconds it's a strike. I'm guessing the comic doesn't go well as they portray Erica through the negative stereotypes they've associated with her. Wanna know what'd be great? Surprise the hell out of us and have her actually enjoy the comic.

Wanna know how to show a strong female character? Give her thick skin, the ability to not let insults tear hew down, the ability to laugh at herself. The worst thing you can do is show you were offended, because if a point was being made it'd be a big strike against you. Now look, there're some things we can't get past, we get emotional, but.... damn these tangents.

Obviously it doesn't go so well. On the upside, boys and girls hate this, on the downside, Erica is, predictably, upset. I do like the whole are to/am not joke she pulls when we see her again, but that's about it. Oh, and as far as I know she intends to prank the two based on what they wrote in the comic, let's see if I can rank alongside Nostradamus.

Well I may be wrong. Melvin gets things going through an experiment involving him projecting his favorite funny videos through a ray unto a student, which turns them into the vimpire of the comic. This was wrought because of Melvin's bad sense of humor, works for the absurdity of the books it's based on... crap that's all I got.

Oh yeah, of course they fall for the prank, but thankfully the boys take it well, sick of how it usually goes down with a high level embarrassment, one of my worst takeaways from Back at the Barnyard. I do like how they call the "leave the girl behind who would save your asses later" cliche, not because it's calling out a long cliche, but because of how the callout's handled. It goes with the books' humor at the very least.

However I feel about the climax from herein is saved by that one remark, they didn't treat it like it's some big surprise, I just wish this came out at a better time, because back then we didn't have to worry about the protagonists getting neutered to push female empowerment. It was about being equal, not being one ahead, and I mean that generally.

Although this is mostly ruined by some clunkiness, the boys declare they need help from a strong female character. Some implied to literal groveling, and light smugness later and she posts bail, and for the former two you can guess who does what. I will admit, I do like that the three actually work together to solve this, and Erica doesn't just take the reigns, I won't be mad if a girl comes with the final blow, I mean who am I? No Bullshit? Both genders came up with different solutions that worked, so a win for equality.

At the very least things could end on a good note, good in that it doesn't end with the boys getting embarrassed for the sake of pushing a female power agenda. She is offered a chance to help on the comics, but declines and the boys slink to similar old habits.

Overall

Many of these female empowerment deals wear their intentions on the sleeves, so it's a matter of how hard the message is pushed, and compared to the ones I've seen, this one is the best out of all of them. In principal it's obvious how the story would go down, but Erica turned out to be incredibly bearable. She acted only when provoked, which is the best course of action to take and to keep someone on your side.

She isn't preachy, and it seems her habits are callbacks to girl characters from long before. She can't even be considered a feminist in the vein of cartoon females, she isn't preachy or obnoxious, maybe a bit smug bur appropriately so. I'd take her over Margo Sherman and Lisa Simpson, could you believe a cartoon based on a kids book series did a female character better than two prime-time shows?

I dunno, maybe Bart Vs. Itchy and Scratchy dulled my senses to an all-time low where its intents were obvious and we could tell how tone-deaf the writers were? Maybe Helga's Makeover felt like it was written by people who only had half an idea on what the characters were like. Maybe The Critic just had horrible writing from the get-go and Mike Reiss is a ho-

It was too early for the characters to be considered out of place (this was the fourth episode), and comparing to another episode I've seen, everyone was just right.